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[inoc]

i think this was against SA and they had to come back home after 9 days or so

[inoc]

hey mock you beat me to it

[MockTurtle]

hey mock you beat me to it

never mind - you may still pose the next question! 

[inoc]

no no its your turn mock

[Sahir]

Very good guys-- the match lasted 10 days before it was abandonned because the English had to catch their boat back to England!  Nobody expected it to be that timeless!  Poor bowlers!  Take it away guys.

[MockTurtle]

Link the following tests (not an exhaustive list).

England v South Africa, 1924, 2nd Test
Pakistan v West Indies, 1958/59, 3rd Test
Ind v Pakistan 1982-83, 2nd Test
Ind v Pakistan 1989-90, 2nd Test
Australia v Pakistan, 1995/96, 1st Test
England v Pakistan, 1996, 3rd Test
Sri Lanka in South Africa, 2002-03, 2nd Test

[RicePlateReddy]

Any clues, Mock?

[MockTurtle]

Link the following tests (not an exhaustive list).

England v South Africa, 1924, 2nd Test
Pakistan v West Indies, 1958/59, 3rd Test
Ind v Pakistan 1982-83, 2nd Test
Ind v Pakistan 1989-90, 2nd Test
Australia v Pakistan, 1995/96, 1st Test
England v Pakistan, 1996, 3rd Test
Sri Lanka in South Africa, 2002-03, 2nd Test

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

[RicePlateReddy]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

[suraj]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

IMO if hints are not given at the onset, these will pretty much become MT-KOP exclusive threads

[MockTurtle]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

Right!! applause

interestingly, there aren't many such occurances. only another 2-3 tests outside of my list (and most of them include pakistan, surpise, surprise!)

sorry if it was too vague and sent you on a wild goose chase but then look at all the interesting tidbits you must have picked up to torture us with!   

[MockTurtle]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

IMO if hints are not given at the onset, these will pretty much become MT-KOP exclusive threads

not me! inoc and KoP are the ones to watch out for!

[Sahir]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

Looks right to me; applause; take it away

[MockTurtle]

Hint : Captains (if no one cracks this in another 12 hours, i will post the answer).

Looking at the scorecards, here is my hunch: In all the games, the first ball of the match was bowled by the captain of one team to the captain of the other.

Whew - I am *not* going to tell you how much time I spent on this prior to your hint.

and now, sahir too!

IMO if hints are not given at the onset, these will pretty much become MT-KOP exclusive threads

not me! inoc and KoP are the ones to watch out for!

[RicePlateReddy]

To the best of my knowledge, 3 prime ministers / presidents of independent countries have actually played official first class cricket. (The "independent country" clause eliminates all the princes and Indian nobility).

One of them is Alec Douglas Home who served as PM of England between Oct 1963 and Oct 1964 (he played for MCC, Middlesex, Oxford, HDG Leveson-Gower's XI, Free Foresters and Harlequins, playing under the name "Lord Dunglass": his title at that time).

The other two are more interesting. One we have heard of, and is from a regular cricket playing country. The other, some might have heard of and he comes from a non-regular country which has played cricket for over 50 years. Name either.


P.S. When I did my homework on this one, I came across an Australian PM, Edmund Barton who was a good cricketer but did not play any official first-class matches. Perhaps the time he lived (1849-1920) was not helpful.  This is what his biography says: "In 1879, Barton umpired a cricket game at Sydney Cricket Ground between New South Wales and an English touring side captained by Lord Harris. After a controversial decision by Barton's fellow umpire, the crowd spilled onto the pitch, leading to international cricket's first riot. Barton helped to defuse the situation, and gained much favourable publicity for his efforts, which helped him politically; Barton successfully stood for the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales for the University of Sydney constituency later in the year. In 1882 he became Speaker of the assembly, and in 1884 was elected President of the University of Sydney Union. From 1887 to 1891, and again from 1897 to 1898, Barton sat in the Legislative Council."

[MockTurtle]

To the best of my knowledge, 3 prime ministers / presidents of independent countries have actually played official first class cricket. (The "independent country" clause eliminates all the princes and Indian nobility).

One of them is Alec Douglas Home who served as PM of England between Oct 1963 and Oct 1964 (he played for MCC, Middlesex, Oxford, HDG Leveson-Gower's XI, Free Foresters and Harlequins, playing under the name "Lord Dunglass": his title at that time).

The other two are more interesting. One we have heard of, and is from a regular cricket playing country. The other, some might have heard of and he comes from a non-regular country which has played cricket for over 50 years. Name either.


P.S. When I did my homework on this one, I came across an Australian PM, Edmund Barton who was a good cricketer but did not play any official first-class matches. Perhaps the time he lived (1849-1920) was not helpful.  This is what his biography says: "In 1879, Barton umpired a cricket game at Sydney Cricket Ground between New South Wales and an English touring side captained by Lord Harris. After a controversial decision by Barton's fellow umpire, the crowd spilled onto the pitch, leading to international cricket's first riot. Barton helped to defuse the situation, and gained much favourable publicity for his efforts, which helped him politically; Barton successfully stood for the Legislative Assembly of New South Wales for the University of Sydney constituency later in the year. In 1882 he became Speaker of the assembly, and in 1884 was elected President of the University of Sydney Union. From 1887 to 1891, and again from 1897 to 1898, Barton sat in the Legislative Council."

i seem to recall reading that Nawaz Sharif has played some game??

[RicePlateReddy]

i seem to recall reading that Nawaz Sharif has played some game??

That has got to be the record for the fastest answer - applause!

Yes, he played for Pakistan Railways in 1973-74. Has a CricInfo profile, for what it is worth: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/42259.html

The other is Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara from Fiji: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/other/content/player/24061.html

Take it away....

[MockTurtle]

i seem to recall reading that Nawaz Sharif has played some game??

That has got to be the record for the fastest answer - applause!

Yes, he played for Pakistan Railways in 1973-74. Has a CricInfo profile, for what it is worth: [url]http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/42259.html

The other is Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara from Fiji: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/other/content/player/24061.html

Take it away....

hehe - i am more interested in people/backgrounds (y'all shd know by now)than the nitty-gritty stats and so this was up my alley!

why don't you post another? or i may send you all on another wild trip!!! 

[RicePlateReddy]

Okay, since that question was "open" for all of 60 seconds, I will post another. I think I may have run out of questions for a while 

What happened for the last time in this match (hint: this is not stats related).

The Frank Worrell Trophy - 4th Test
West Indies v Australia    1972/73 season

Played at Bourda, Georgetown, Guyana, on 6,7,8,10,11 April 1973 (5-day match)

Result Australia won by 10 wickets
            
West Indies 1st innings    R    M    4s    6s    
RC Fredericks    c IM Chappell b Walters    30    83    3    0    
GA Greenidge    b Walters    22    87    1    0    
AI Kallicharran    run out    13    35    2    0    
CH Lloyd    b Hammond    178    354    24    1    
RB Kanhai    c O'Keeffe b Hammond    57    223    6    0
CA Davis    lbw b Walker    5    36    0    0    
DL Murray    c IM Chappell b Hammond    1    13    0    0    
KD Boyce    c Edwards b Walters    23    45    3    0    
ET Willett    lbw b Walters    12    16    2    0    
VA Holder    not out    9    17    0    0    
LR Gibbs    b Walters    1    6    0    0    
Extras    (b 5, lb 6, w 2, nb 2)    15             
Total    (all out; 121.2 overs)    366             

Fall of wickets1-55 (Fredericks), 2-56 (Greenidge), 3-90 (Kallicharran), 4-277 (Kanhai), 5-307 (Davis), 6-310 (Murray), 7-337 (Lloyd), 8-347 (Boyce), 9-356 (Willett), 10-366 (Gibbs)

                     
Bowling    O    M    R    W    Econ    
JR Hammond    33    6    110    3    3.33    
MHN Walker    38    11    77    1    2.02    
GS Chappell    16    4    56    0    3.50    
KD Walters    18.2    1    66    5    3.60    
KJ O'Keeffe    8    1    27    0    3.37    
TJ Jenner    7    0    15    0    2.14    
IM Chappell    1    1    0    0    0.00    

Australia 1st innings    R    M    4s    6s    
KR Stackpole    lbw b Boyce    1    6    0    0    
IR Redpath    c Fredericks b Holder    22    58    2    0    
IM Chappell    b Gibbs    109    304    10    0    
GS Chappell    b Willett    51    182    7    0    
KD Walters    c wicket-keeperMurray b Gibbs    81    220    8    0    
R Edwards    c wicket-keeperMurray b Boyce    13    42    1    0    
RW Marsh    lbw b Willett    23    55    3    0    
KJ O'Keeffe    b Gibbs    5    24    0    0    
TJ Jenner    c Kallicharran b Boyce    10    28    0    0    
JR Hammond    run out    1    4    0    0    
MHN Walker    not out    2    9    0    0    
Extras    (b 9, lb 7, w 4, nb 3)    23             
                     
Total    (all out; 135.4 overs)    341             

Fall of wickets1-5 (Stackpole), 2-36 (Redpath), 3-157 (GS Chappell), 4-229 (IM Chappell), 5-262 (Edwards), 6-306 (Marsh), 7-316 (O'Keeffe), 8-334 (Walters), 9-336 (Hammond), 10-341 (Jenner)

                     
Bowling    O    M    R    W    Econ    
VA Holder    35    6    64    1    1.82    
KD Boyce    24.4    6    69    3    2.79    
CA Davis    6    0    15    0    2.50    
ET Willett    27    3    88    2    3.25    
LR Gibbs    36    15    67    3    1.86    
CH Lloyd    7    1    15    0    2.14    

                  
West Indies 2nd innings    R    M    4s    6s    
RC Fredericks    c wicket-keeperMarsh b Hammond    6    28    0    0    
GA Greenidge    b Hammond    24    90    4    0    
AI Kallicharran    c Walker b Hammond    8    30    1    0    
CH Lloyd    c wicket-keeperMarsh b Hammond    3    20    0    0    
RB Kanhai    lbw b Walker    23    74    3    0    
CA Davis    c wicket-keeperMarsh b Walker    16    53    1    0    
DL Murray    c wicket-keeperMarsh b Walker    3    24    0    0    
KD Boyce    c GS Chappell b Walters    10    20    1    0    
ET Willett    not out    3    31    0    0    
VA Holder    b Walters    3    9    0    0    
LR Gibbs    b Walker    7    16    0    0    
Extras    (lb 3)    3             
                     
Total    (all out; 52.3 overs)    109             

Fall of wickets1-12 (Fredericks), 2-30 (Kallicharran), 3-39 (Lloyd), 4-42 (Greenidge), 5-77 (Davis), 6-82 (Kanhai), 7-91 (Murray), 8-95 (Boyce), 9-100 (Holder), 10-109 (Gibbs)

                     
Bowling    O    M    R    W    Econ    
JR Hammond    16    4    38    4    2.37    
MHN Walker    23.3    4    45    4    1.91    
KD Walters    13    3    23    2    1.76    

                  
Australia 2nd innings (target: 135 runs)    R    M    4s    6s    
KR Stackpole    not out    76    135    11    0    
IR Redpath    not out    57    135    6    0    
Extras    (lb 2)    2             
                     
Total    (0 wickets; 43 overs)    135             

Did not bat captainIM Chappell, GS Chappell, KD Walters, R Edwards, wicket-keeperRW Marsh, KJ O'Keeffe, TJ Jenner, JR Hammond, MHN Walker

                     
Bowling    O    M    R    W    Econ    
VA Holder    7    2    21    0    3.00    
KD Boyce    8    1    33    0    4.12    
CA Davis    3    2    5    0    1.66    
ET Willett    6    2    20    0    3.33    
LR Gibbs    5    4    9    0    1.80    
CH Lloyd    5    1    15    0    3.00    
RB Kanhai    5    1    15    0    3.00    
GA Greenidge    4    0    15    0    3.75

[RicePlateReddy]

Providing a hint as a picture:

[inoc]

? mr kippins was the umpire for the last time in that test

[inoc]

is it terry jenner (warnes mentor) - only test match he did not take a wicket

[RicePlateReddy]

No inoc, at least not what I had in mind, which is a little more significant. I guess it comes down to identifying who is in the picture -- it is a player, not an umpire/official and it has to be 1 of 22 guys. Now that is virtually the answer if you think about it

[pieterSAN]

The last time a White man played for the West Indies.

[poondu]

Gomes played in the early 80's definitely

[inoc]

cant be that ca davis the white man in that team played the next match.

[suraj]

Guessing wildly:

Last match without a 12th man in the teams?

[RicePlateReddy]

pieterSAN is right - Geoff Greenidge's last match, and he was the last white person to play for the WI. Both Charlie Davis and Larry Gomes are not 100% white, (so too Jeff Dujon and I am sure many others with some mixed Hispanic lineage). Greenidge's CricInfo profile also has him as the last white person who played for the WI.

Take it over, pieterSAN.

[inoc]

i thought that was gordon greenidge didnt even look into his profile. anyway good one kop and pietersan applause.

[suraj]

i thought that was gordon greenidge didnt even look into his profile. anyway good one kop and pietersan applause.

and I thought I was the only one!- Looked at every damn profile of guys I thot were white and completely skipped Greenidge

[pieterSAN]

pieterSAN is right - Geoff Greenidge's last match, and he was the last white person to play for the WI. Both Charlie Davis and Larry Gomes are not 100% white, (so too Jeff Dujon and I am sure many others with some mixed Hispanic lineage). Greenidge's CricInfo profile also has him as the last white person who played for the WI.

Take it over, pieterSAN.

Thanks, kop.

good effort inoc - must admit that Charlie Davis does somewhat resemble Geoff Greenidge.

[suraj]

pieterSAN is right - Geoff Greenidge's last match, and he was the last white person to play for the WI. Both Charlie Davis and Larry Gomes are not 100% white, (so too Jeff Dujon and I am sure many others with some mixed Hispanic lineage). Greenidge's CricInfo profile also has him as the last white person who played for the WI.

Take it over, pieterSAN.

Thanks, kop.

good effort inoc - must admit that Charlie Davis does somewhat resemble Geoff Greenidge.

If the mutual admiration is over and done with, can we have the next question??? It is your turn

[pieterSAN]

  right...This should be easy.

This man was made his debut for England at the age of 34 and made over 2000 runs for England. His name is synonymous with one of the greatest controversies in the game. Name him.

[MockTurtle]

right...This should be easy.

This man was made his debut for England at the age of 34 and made over 2000 runs for England. His name is synonymous with one of the greatest controversies in the game. Name him.

Basil D'Oliveira?

[kingcool1432]

right...This should be easy.

This man was made his debut for England at the age of 34 and made over 2000 runs for England. His name is synonymous with one of the greatest controversies in the game. Name him.

Basil D'Oliveira?

Second that

[suraj]

right...This should be easy.

This man was made his debut for England at the age of 34 and made over 2000 runs for England. His name is synonymous with one of the greatest controversies in the game. Name him.

Basil D'Oliveira?

The guy who brought SA down???

[RicePlateReddy]

D'Oliveira -- I am always reminded of the like named character from Tintin (from Lisbon -- Oliveira da Figueira, the best salesman) when I hear this guy's name 

[pieterSAN]

right...This should be easy.

This man was made his debut for England at the age of 34 and made over 2000 runs for England. His name is synonymous with one of the greatest controversies in the game. Name him.

Basil D'Oliveira?

Ferpectly. All yours Mock....

D'Oliveira -- I am always reminded of the like named character from Tintin (from Lisbon -- Oliveira da Figueira, the best salesman) when I hear this guy's name 

  That's exactly what I thought when I first heard his name!

[LosingNow]

Ferpectly.

Hey, I saw that Spanish movie - The Ferpect Crime - on Sundance channel recently. It was funny.

[pieterSAN]

Ferpectly.

Hey, I saw that Spanish movie - The Ferpect Crime - on Sundance channel recently. It was funny.

ooh....I have to see that. Mine was a reference to Asterix.