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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2006, 03:50:23 AM »

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Colombo, Aug. 21: “Give me some time mate for my assessment,” said Team India coach Greg Chappell when this correspondent asked him for his choice of five all time great batsmen and bowlers. On Monday morning at the team hotel here in Colombo, he had his answer sheet ready. “I couldn’t restrict it to five, chose eight batsmen and seven bowlers instead,” said the former Australia captain who has had 7110 runs in 87 Tests which include 24 centuries. The list, along with Chappell’s assessment on his favourite players is as follows….

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Sir Garfield Sobers
Sir Garfield is not only the best batsman that I have seen but he is the best all round cricketer that I have seen. He is the best multi-faceted cricketer in my time with four genuine strings to his bow, batting, pace bowling, finger spin and fielding. His record speaks for itself.

Sir Vivian Richards
Sir Vivian was the most damaging batsman of his era. Whether against spin or genuine pace he had the ability to turn a match in a session with his explosive power. I rate him as the best all round fielder that I have witnessed.

Graeme Pollock
It is interesting that three of the top-five are left-hand batsmen. At a time when most of the top batsmen were of modest stature, Graeme was one of the first quality batsmen who stood over six feet tall. Graeme was a brutal player who had a wide stance and got by with minimal footwork, but he was always well balanced and his weight was always ideally positioned for each shot. Like Vivian Richards, Graeme could turn a game in a trice with his brute force against pace or spin.

Sachin Tendulkar
Sachin has an amazing record for one who started so young and has played for such a long time in the most demanding market that cricket has to offer. No one, not even Bradman, has had the weight of so much expectation resting on his shoulders each time he bats. His range of stroke-play has been the most outstanding feature of his exquisite silky-smooth skills.

Brian Lara
Brian is another in the long line of West Indian greats and another left-hander with a brilliant and destructive range of shots against all types of bowling. Brian gets into my list for his ability to make big scores as much as for his brilliance. Few players in the history of cricket have made as many multiple centuries as Brian and this is because he paces himself differently from most players that I have watched. He has an uncanny ability to play in destructive bursts at stages in his innings that sets him apart from all except Sobers and Bradman of the elite of the elite that game has produced.

Barry Richards
I give a special mention to Barry Richards whom I rate as the most aesthetically pleasing and damaging batsman that I have seen. Barry looked like the coaching manual had come to life from his upright stance to his precision drives, cuts and pulls. The only reason he has not got into the top five is that history was cruel to him and prevented him from playing enough Test cricket to give a fair assessment of his ability against the very best bowlers over the long run at the highest level.

Ricky Ponting
Ricky Ponting is another whom I rate a special mention for his ability to turn a game with his dynamic power. By the end of his career he may well have pushed himself into the top five if he continues at the phenomenal success rate of the past few years.

Rahul Dravid
Rahul is another who will most likely push himself into the top bracket by the time his career has finished. His powers of concentration and his consistency rather than his range of stroke-play is his hallmark, but his ability to make runs in all conditions puts him into the elite class.

 


The correspondent asked for an all-time list, and there is no Bradman ??

Only a supreme egotist would let his personal animosity with the Don come in the way of naming him
on an all-time batsman list.

Contrast this with the class of SMG. When he was asked who the best spinner he has seen was,
he promptly said Bedi, someone he was not on talking terms with.

way to go dude, jumping down the guy's throat for no reason.
this is middle-finger's list of his favorite players and he never got to see Bradman play.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2006, 05:51:18 AM »

dex
interesting to note that posts with the word beep have been deleted but h*rami are acceptable to you. so by that logic can i type assh@le, or maybe ass*ole or possibly assh()le?
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2006, 05:52:07 AM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2006, 06:06:38 AM »

i would make a documentary on katrina kaif  ;D ;D ;D
then again.....[stashes away horny comment]
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2006, 06:42:20 AM »

dex
interesting to note that posts with the word beep have been deleted but h*rami are acceptable to you. so by that logic can i type assh@le, or maybe ass*ole or possibly assh()le?

Um, you're a bit late on the scene, Sherlock ;-)

The problem had to do with the fact that beep was directed at someone in the forum.

Also, I don't personally like people using harami or whatever directed at anybody, but sometimes one is tired and lets it slide  :)
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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2006, 06:48:17 AM »

i still think assh ;D le should ne legit ;D
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2006, 02:42:09 PM »

why not zaheer abbas? what  a record.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2006, 03:50:34 PM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD

Well, Gavaskar's exclusion is no real surprise. After all, Gavaskar had been backing Ganguly all along. Just throwing it out there, it doesn't matter at all who he picks, but one shouldn't be surprised.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2006, 04:05:21 PM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD


Why not Geoff Boycott ? Playing against Australia ; 38  2945 191   47.50   7  14   2  2/32   53.50  0  12  0

47.50 Avg against the likes of Thommo/Lille ...

Barry Richards is bit hype I think , When he played those 4 tests against the Aussies ; look at the bowlers
against whom he scored McKenzie,Walters,conolly,Mallet,Gleeson . How many of us know these bowlers ?
 
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2006, 04:24:57 PM »

Bowlers List tomorrow--

‘Not even Bradman bore a burden like Sachin’s’
 
 
Colombo, Aug. 21: “Give me some time mate for my assessment,” said Team India coach Greg Chappell when this correspondent asked him for his choice of five all time great batsmen and bowlers.


The correspondent asked for an all-time list, and there is no Bradman ??

Only a supreme egotist would let his personal animosity with the Don come in the way of naming him
on an all-time batsman list.

Contrast this with the class of SMG. When he was asked who the best spinner he has seen was,
he promptly said Bedi, someone he was not on talking terms with.

way to go dude, jumping down the guy's throat for no reason.
this is middle-finger's list of his favorite players and he never got to see Bradman play.

My apologies, I misunderstood. The Don played his last test around the time GC was born.
Since time began from GC's birth, the Don can't make an all-time list. Innings from the BC
era (Before Chappell) are not to be counted.

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« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2006, 05:02:41 PM »

I think it is pretty pathetic that we need to fight about one man's choices.
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« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2006, 05:18:34 PM »

This SG gang wont let it go.. so if nothing good is left to talk about SG, they got nothing else left but to pound GC..
Had GC selected SMG and not SRT, it would have been a war anyway..
if RD makes the list, its ass-licking.. GC cant lick ass and is not allowed not to lick ass(named a bad man-manager instantly) .. both way ehh..

Gangulians cant like any list sans Ganguly.. I am surprised that there are no protests in Kolkotta.. is it because an anti-SG JD runs the board now..

anyway Guys, SG makes the top 5 list only if list is selected from Bengal..



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« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2006, 05:52:33 PM »

This SG gang wont let it go.. so if nothing good is left to talk about SG, they got nothing else left but to pound GC..
Had GC selected SMG and not SRT, it would have been a war anyway..
if RD makes the list, its ass-licking.. GC cant lick ass and is not allowed not to lick ass(named a bad man-manager instantly) .. both way ehh..

Gangulians cant like any list sans Ganguly.. I am surprised that there are no protests in Kolkotta.. is it because an anti-SG JD runs the board now..

anyway Guys, SG makes the top 5 list only if list is selected from Bengal..





Hello Mr. Chappel-licker...why can't you keep regional references out?
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« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2006, 05:53:53 PM »

Yeah it is precisely becoz of these Gangulians that one finds it very difficult to sympathize with Ganguly, Zaheer even Nehra.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2006, 06:05:27 PM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD


Why not Geoff Boycott ? Playing against Australia ; 38  2945 191   47.50   7  14   2  2/32   53.50  0  12  0

47.50 Avg against the likes of Thommo/Lille ...

Barry Richards is bit hype I think , When he played those 4 tests against the Aussies ; look at the bowlers
against whom he scored McKenzie,Walters,conolly,Mallet,Gleeson . How many of us know these bowlers ?
 

Graham Mckenzie was Australia's main strike bowler in the pre-Lillee/Thommo era.
Check out on Graham Mckenzie in Cricinfo!
Doug Walters was known more for his batting.
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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2006, 06:07:12 PM »

Yeah it is precisely becoz of these Gangulians that one finds it very difficult to sympathize with Ganguly, Zaheer even Nehra.

So!..you are back right?
Relaxed and all?
And you want to sympathise with Nehra too!?
What a stale joke! ;D
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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2006, 04:40:30 AM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD


Why not Geoff Boycott ? Playing against Australia ; 38  2945 191   47.50   7  14   2  2/32   53.50  0  12  0

47.50 Avg against the likes of Thommo/Lille ...

Barry Richards is bit hype I think , When he played those 4 tests against the Aussies ; look at the bowlers
against whom he scored McKenzie,Walters,conolly,Mallet,Gleeson . How many of us know these bowlers ?
 

Maybe a hype. I dont know. I haven't seen him play. But didn't Barry play other cricket (I mean other than international cricket) ... which must have impressed GC.

Anyways, he is a special mention - maybe Chappel saw something in him. I wouldn't have fallen out of my chair, had I not found his name on the list.

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http://www.safrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/sports/richards.htm

A criticism often levelled at Barry Richards is that at times he found the game of cricket too easy and became bored. This criticism says much about the ability of the man - way above that of the average provincial or test cricketer.

A right-handed opening batsman, Richards performed with equal success in South Africa, England and Australia. He was part of the same South African Schools team that produced Mike Procter, and like his Natal teammate he too took up a contract with an English county, joining Hampshire.

Richards took to the county game like a duck to water, and together with West Indian star Gordon Greenidge formed an opening partnership to match any in cricket history. Together they terrorised opposition bowling attacks. Richards scored a century before lunch nine times in his career! In 1968 he totalled 2 395 runs in the county championship and was named one of Wisden’s five cricketers of the year.

However, his most memorable achievement was reserved for Australia in 1970/71 where, playing in Perth for South Australia, he blasted an unbeaten 325 in a single day, on his way to his highest first-class innings of 356. Led by Australian test fast bowlers Garth McKenzie and Dennis Lillee and England spinner Tony Lock, it was no ordinary attack that Richards tore to shreds. It was his only season in Sheffield Shield cricket; not surprisingly South Australia won the title that year.

Unfortunately, Richards played in only four tests before falling victim to the apartheid policies of the South African government, with the country being banned from international cricket in 1970. He excelled in his only series as South Africa swept aside a powerful Australian team that included Bill Lawry, Ian Chappell, Doug Walters, Keith Stackpole, Ian Redpath, Ashley Mallett, Graham McKenzie and Johnny Gleeson by four tests to nil.

Richards played a big part in the Springboks’ success. In his first test he contributed just 29 and 32 as South Africa won by 170 runs at Newlands. In his second test he notched his first test century in just 116 balls, going on to tally 140.

Together with Graeme Pollock, who tallied a then-South African record 274, Richards destroyed the Australian bowling attack, and the hour after lunch when the two great players were together is remembered fondly by South African fans as one of the most spectacular displays of batting ever seen on home soil. After the Springboks totalled 622 for 9 declared there was no need for Richards to bat again as South Africa won by an innings and 129 runs.

In the third test in Johannesburg, Richards racked up 65 and 35 as South Africa won again, this time by 307 runs. In the fourth test, his last, Richards made 81 and 126 as Ali Bacher’s team recorded a massive 323 run victory. In the four-test series Richards tallied 508 runs in seven innings at an average of 72.57.

In 1971 during a provincial match, Richards was one of the players who staged a walk-off in protest againtst the government’s apartheid policies

Denied a role on cricket's highest stage, Richards joined Kerry Packer’s breakaway World Series Cricket in 1977. This gave him the opportunity to test himself against the world’s top players, and once again he showed his best when faced with the best, compiling 554 runs at the superb average of 79.

In 1983 Richards joined the Queensland Cricket Union as chief executive officer. With Richards in charge, the Australian state landed the Sheffield Shield title twice - a feat they had failed to achieve since their admission to the competition in 1926-27.

During his career, which lasted from 1964/65 to 1982/83, Richards scored 28 358 runs at an average of 54.74, including 80 centuries. He also captured 77 wickets, including a remarkable best analysis of 7 for 63. The former Natal and Springbok opening batsman was named as one of South Africa’s cricketers of the twentieth century at the end of the previous millennium.

To watch Richards in action was like attending a tutorial on how the game of cricket is meant to be played. He played his shots in classic mode, right out of the textbook, graceful and a joy to watch. The highly-respected former Australian captain and television commentator said of Richards: “No more elegant player has taken the field in our time.” Greg Chappell, another former Australian captain, said of the South African opener: “He has undoubtedly been the biggest influence on my career.”

Perhaps the highest compliment came from the greatest player ever, Sir Donald Bradman, who described Richards as “the world’s best-ever right-handed opener”. He backed that up by including Richards in his best ever team, published after his death. Enough said.
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2006, 04:42:15 AM »

I saw Barry Richards bat in the veterans tournament about 10 years ago and boy even at that stage he looked a cut above the rest. and remember this tournament had the likes of gavaskar lloyd viv richards greenidge amarnath zaheer abbas graeme pollock etal playing
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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2006, 02:21:51 PM »

I saw Barry Richards bat in the veterans tournament about 10 years ago and boy even at that stage he looked a cut above the rest. and remember this tournament had the likes of gavaskar lloyd viv richards greenidge amarnath zaheer abbas graeme pollock etal playing

Gouravk, I have watched that match Ind v/s SA but I don't remember Barry played in that match . It was K.SrikKanth's match - he blasted the SA bowlers all over the park and India won that match easily . For SA
Pollock made some runs . Venkat bowled beautifully and kirmani was excellent behind the stumps . I remember
all that but I think Barry Richards didn't play in that series at all . Do you have the scorecard or any link to the Veterans Tournament ? 
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »

My thoughts on the list / some comments
-An interesting list - all of them are great players in their own right. Its got only one Australian in it. It appears to comprise batsmen GC has had opportunity to see / play against ... probably the Don missed out on that count. It may also have something to do with the tiff that the Chappels have had with him, but I would give GC the benefit of the doubt here. And, its not as if he has totally dismissed Bradman - if you read the comments on Brian Lara, he speaks about the uncanny ability to be destructive that Lara shares with only Sobers and Bradman

-GC has actually named his top five .. Barry Richards, Ponting and RD are special mentions

-On RD's inclusion and to an extent, Ponting, I think proximity helped. Normally when a person draws up a list of best players, you tend to lean towards
a) your own countrymen who you probably know better and generally have some kind of subconscious bias; for instance (and no disrespect, Rams), Vishy is unlikely to make the top 5/6 batsmen list of most non-Indian players
b) those who have done very well against you;
c) others you have been in close proximity with, coz this allows you to notice certain things about them that you may not have noticed otherswise.
I think RD probably falls into the third category and he has also done very well against the Aussies of late. While SRT may have walked in anyways, the comment about the expectations resting on his shoulders has definitely come from him seeing the public frenzy up close. RD probably may not have made it, had GC not been coaching India

-Sunil Gavaskar is a notable omission .. but then any of the names would have been notable omissions. I would personally have rated him above RD and Ponting; however, these two have yet to come to the conclusion of their careers. I really do not know much about Barry Richards, but am perfectly fine with SMG not displacing any of the first five names mentioned

-Saurav Ganguly does not even come close

-Why wouldn't anyone want to make a documentary on Katrina Kaif? I still haven't thrown away my Boom VCD


Why not Geoff Boycott ? Playing against Australia ; 38  2945 191   47.50   7  14   2  2/32   53.50  0  12  0

47.50 Avg against the likes of Thommo/Lille ...

Barry Richards is bit hype I think , When he played those 4 tests against the Aussies ; look at the bowlers
against whom he scored McKenzie,Walters,conolly,Mallet,Gleeson . How many of us know these bowlers ?
 

Maybe a hype. I dont know. I haven't seen him play. But didn't Barry play other cricket (I mean other than international cricket) ... which must have impressed GC.

Anyways, he is a special mention - maybe Chappel saw something in him. I wouldn't have fallen out of my chair, had I not found his name on the list.

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Here is something I found on the net (the highlighted bits are interesting)

http://www.safrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/sports/richards.htm

A criticism often levelled at Barry Richards is that at times he found the game of cricket too easy and became bored. This criticism says much about the ability of the man - way above that of the average provincial or test cricketer.

A right-handed opening batsman, Richards performed with equal success in South Africa, England and Australia. He was part of the same South African Schools team that produced Mike Procter, and like his Natal teammate he too took up a contract with an English county, joining Hampshire.

Richards took to the county game like a duck to water, and together with West Indian star Gordon Greenidge formed an opening partnership to match any in cricket history. Together they terrorised opposition bowling attacks. Richards scored a century before lunch nine times in his career! In 1968 he totalled 2 395 runs in the county championship and was named one of Wisden’s five cricketers of the year.

However, his most memorable achievement was reserved for Australia in 1970/71 where, playing in Perth for South Australia, he blasted an unbeaten 325 in a single day, on his way to his highest first-class innings of 356. Led by Australian test fast bowlers Garth McKenzie and Dennis Lillee and England spinner Tony Lock, it was no ordinary attack that Richards tore to shreds. It was his only season in Sheffield Shield cricket; not surprisingly South Australia won the title that year.

Unfortunately, Richards played in only four tests before falling victim to the apartheid policies of the South African government, with the country being banned from international cricket in 1970. He excelled in his only series as South Africa swept aside a powerful Australian team that included Bill Lawry, Ian Chappell, Doug Walters, Keith Stackpole, Ian Redpath, Ashley Mallett, Graham McKenzie and Johnny Gleeson by four tests to nil.

Richards played a big part in the Springboks’ success. In his first test he contributed just 29 and 32 as South Africa won by 170 runs at Newlands. In his second test he notched his first test century in just 116 balls, going on to tally 140.

Together with Graeme Pollock, who tallied a then-South African record 274, Richards destroyed the Australian bowling attack, and the hour after lunch when the two great players were together is remembered fondly by South African fans as one of the most spectacular displays of batting ever seen on home soil. After the Springboks totalled 622 for 9 declared there was no need for Richards to bat again as South Africa won by an innings and 129 runs.

In the third test in Johannesburg, Richards racked up 65 and 35 as South Africa won again, this time by 307 runs. In the fourth test, his last, Richards made 81 and 126 as Ali Bacher’s team recorded a massive 323 run victory. In the four-test series Richards tallied 508 runs in seven innings at an average of 72.57.

In 1971 during a provincial match, Richards was one of the players who staged a walk-off in protest againtst the government’s apartheid policies

Denied a role on cricket's highest stage, Richards joined Kerry Packer’s breakaway World Series Cricket in 1977. This gave him the opportunity to test himself against the world’s top players, and once again he showed his best when faced with the best, compiling 554 runs at the superb average of 79.

In 1983 Richards joined the Queensland Cricket Union as chief executive officer. With Richards in charge, the Australian state landed the Sheffield Shield title twice - a feat they had failed to achieve since their admission to the competition in 1926-27.

During his career, which lasted from 1964/65 to 1982/83, Richards scored 28 358 runs at an average of 54.74, including 80 centuries. He also captured 77 wickets, including a remarkable best analysis of 7 for 63. The former Natal and Springbok opening batsman was named as one of South Africa’s cricketers of the twentieth century at the end of the previous millennium.

To watch Richards in action was like attending a tutorial on how the game of cricket is meant to be played. He played his shots in classic mode, right out of the textbook, graceful and a joy to watch. The highly-respected former Australian captain and television commentator said of Richards: “No more elegant player has taken the field in our time.” Greg Chappell, another former Australian captain, said of the South African opener: “He has undoubtedly been the biggest influence on my career.”

Perhaps the highest compliment came from the greatest player ever, Sir Donald Bradman, who described Richards as “the world’s best-ever right-handed opener”. He backed that up by including Richards in his best ever team, published after his death. Enough said.

Keep-it-cool , It's a useful link on Barry . Yesterday "JAAT69" pasted one link on Barry era . That's why I like Cricketvoice - here you get your questions answered unlike other cricket sites.   
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2006, 08:39:02 PM »

You are right he did not play against India but he definitely played one match ... I cant remember which. But Ill try to find out and post it here.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2006, 09:17:56 PM »

You are right he did not play against India but he definitely played one match ... I cant remember which. But Ill try to find out and post it here.
I am with Gourav on this one. Barry Richards, in that series (wasnt that the first masters series, where India and WI reached the finals?) showed glimpses of his talent in at least one innings. His square cut stood out.
Off topic: Though India lost the masters finals, two things are still fresh. One: Srikanth's assault on Viv Richards, the bowler ( 3 sixes in an over). Two: How the WI openers hadled our bowlers with clinical efficiency, almost to the point that a score of 250+ in 45 overs looked nowhere adequate.
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2006, 02:06:14 PM »

Keep-it-cool , It's a useful link on Barry . Yesterday "JAAT69" pasted one link on Barry era . That's why I like Cricketvoice - here you get your questions answered unlike other cricket sites.  

oh, you'll like it for much more than the answers you get ... lot of entertainment around
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2011, 07:26:34 AM »

Very old debate...but I feel tempted to comment on this one.
With all due to respect to Barry Richards and his batting prowess/ first class records, etc, he doesn't deserve to be in the top-10( I know, it is a personal list) just because of his limited Test experience. He may have done well in the 4 Tests that he played against Australia.
He had the potential to be one of the greats...but then, so many others too had the same. I am reminded of the Greame Hick situation. He ( or rather the ppl and press around him) built up an awesome reputation only to be laid low by his baptism into Test cricket by fire...........the West Indies bowling exposed him badly.
Similar may be the case with Greame Pollock too.........only that, Pollock, like Tendulkar has Don's personal opinion backing him.
Not including Don in this list is bordering stupidity.....which only GC is/was capable of. :)
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Re: Greg Chappell's list of Great Batsman -- Interesting List
« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2011, 02:04:52 AM »

this is a cool threat, mixture of knowledge and small bickerings!
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