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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2008, 03:27:28 PM »

Even though shooting is not a major sport, I am sure a lot of other countries do provide opportunities for sponsorship,training, coaching support etc.how many shoot doesn't matter.

Through government support or private enterprise? If you compare with China, you will be right. If you compare with most other countries, I would be surprised if there is structural support different from India. Heck, we have our army encouraging it.
nah, lets leave China alone because they take it to extremes and we don't want it. Looking at other democratic countries, while the sporting achievement is thru private enterprise, how is the system able to get that private funding? do the federal govt. or state govt. have such tight control on sports bodies? are the sports bodies overall independent in India as in other countries? when it is time to make the marginal calls after selecting the obvious top performers, are the sports persons selected purely based on talent or potential instead of various politics, caste, regional bias etc. ? will you invest your private money in a sport which is managed by babus where the sports management is by selected a dole out by political parties in power?

As for Army supporting shooting, since our other systems are not good, it might seem like a good thing, but eventually, they need to get out of it.

Oh, I'm sure Indian governance of sports is extremely corrupt and faulty. There is no debate on that. Field Hockey is the perfect example of that. KPSG has driven our field hockey into ground. For first time in like 80 years, we didn't even qualify for Olympics!!!!

Faulty and corrupt administration is the reason why India does not win medals in team events anymore. If you see, most of our Olympic medals are individual medals. Why? Because sportsmen in Individual events can get out of govt clutches and get their own training. That's why they succeed more. But it is also true that Indian govt does not spend too much money (% of its GDP) on sports, when compared to other countries.

That's why I say, govt is the problem, not the solution.
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« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2008, 03:44:11 PM »

Even though shooting is not a major sport, I am sure a lot of other countries do provide opportunities for sponsorship,training, coaching support etc.how many shoot doesn't matter.

Through government support or private enterprise? If you compare with China, you will be right. If you compare with most other countries, I would be surprised if there is structural support different from India. Heck, we have our army encouraging it.
nah, lets leave China alone because they take it to extremes and we don't want it. Looking at other democratic countries, while the sporting achievement is thru private enterprise, how is the system able to get that private funding? do the federal govt. or state govt. have such tight control on sports bodies? are the sports bodies overall independent in India as in other countries? when it is time to make the marginal calls after selecting the obvious top performers, are the sports persons selected purely based on talent or potential instead of various politics, caste, regional bias etc. ? will you invest your private money in a sport which is managed by babus where the sports management is by selected a dole out by political parties in power?

As for Army supporting shooting, since our other systems are not good, it might seem like a good thing, but eventually, they need to get out of it.

Oh, I'm sure Indian governance of sports is extremely corrupt and faulty. There is no debate on that. Field Hockey is the perfect example of that. KPSG has driven our field hockey into ground. For first time in like 80 years, we didn't even qualify for Olympics!!!!

Faulty and corrupt administration is the reason why India does not win medals in team events anymore. If you see, most of our Olympic medals are individual medals. Why? Because sportsmen in Individual events can get out of govt clutches and get their own training. That's why they succeed more. But it is also true that Indian govt does not spend too much money (% of its GDP) on sports, when compared to other countries.

That's why I say, govt is the problem, not the solution.

Ruchir, agreed.

1. To begin with, sports spending is very low and we need to increase it by a few times to become a big sporting nation. Sports is simply not a peripheral thing where if we don't have sporting culture, we lose out on gold tally and thats about it. Sporting culture is very very important in having a healthy, strong bodied population. Healthy bodied humans make for mentally strong people too. Sporting spirit, that competitive spirit will have huge effect on other areas of life.

2.Even if we are not spending enough, a huge percentage of the money spent by sports ministry doesn't even reach the sports persons. A huge percentage of our sports budget goes towards babus travel, selection meetings, foreign travels, hotel stays etc. just like in cricket. In fact, a lot of the sports related jobs are honourary and a political dole out, gift etc. So, for anything to improve, govt. simply need to get out of sports and sports ministry should be scrapped. Govt., state or federal have no business being in sports.period. Yes, sports do need funding and that is all we need from govt. Everything relating to sports bodies should be private or BCCI like bodies with some govt. regulation. I know BCCI like may not sound very exciting but it is one of the better managed bodies compared to many other sports in India and that is because govt. is not involved. Only thing is govt. regulation should make internal democracy mandatory( at every level) and monopoly in any form should be strictly avoided. This step will result in improvement in cricket too. No matter how great a guy, no one should be allowed more than 2 terms in a top sports related job. Govt. should not be involved in selection or posting of sport bodies heads. Just doing this will in itself lead to a tremendous improvement in sports. Just liberalize the sports just like we did economy. Right now, our system is suppressing the talent, get rid of it and natural talents of billion plus will begind to blossom.

We really don't need some political revolution for this. It is simply liberalization of sports just like we did in economy in 90s.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2008, 03:56:31 PM »

BCCI is a better managed body?? Than which organization? The hockey federation may be...great standard to be compared to when we didnt even qualify for the olympics (which is unbelievable). just because bcci has a lot of cash doesnt mean it is better run or is not influenced by politics or government influence..
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« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2008, 04:13:41 PM »

BCCI is a better managed body?? Than which organization? The hockey federation may be...great standard to be compared to when we didnt even qualify for the olympics (which is unbelievable). just because bcci has a lot of cash doesnt mean it is better run or is not influenced by politics or government influence..

There is no denying politics or influence of powerful men in BCCI, but it is still better than most of other sports bodies. A lot of sports ministry managed stuff is simply pathetic and nowhere close to whatever little  professionalism we have in BCCI.
Lets reverse the question. Which sports body is better managed than BCCI in India?
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« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2008, 04:19:03 PM »

BCCI is a better managed body?? Than which organization? The hockey federation may be...great standard to be compared to when we didnt even qualify for the olympics (which is unbelievable). just because bcci has a lot of cash doesnt mean it is better run or is not influenced by politics or government influence..

There is no denying politics or influence of powerful men in BCCI, but it is still better than most of other sports bodies. A lot of sports ministry managed stuff is simply pathetic and nowhere close to whatever little  professionalism we have in BCCI.
Lets reverse the question. Which sports body is better managed than BCCI in India?

I dont think BCCI is any better  managed than Hockey or anything else. Its just

1) Too many people play cricket in India
2) Evwen after all the mismanagement and corruption .... there is still a lot of money left to be spent. Just there is THAT much money in cricket.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2008, 04:25:23 PM »

I think the answer flute is ZERO but my point is that BCCI hasnt really done anything for any other sports body to emulate them...other than generating lot of cash which is good but with a captive audience for cricket in india there are lot of very good marketing options that were bound to be exercised and that has happened for more than a decade. This is not to undermine the importance of cash generation but to highlight the lack of any professional sports management....will it get better in BCCI..i think so as there are no options but it will be better for other sports bodies in india to look at examples outside india and get professional management across the board if we are to make any long lasting postive changes..
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« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2008, 05:02:08 PM »

I think the answer flute is ZERO but my point is that BCCI hasnt really done anything for any other sports body to emulate them...other than generating lot of cash which is good but with a captive audience for cricket in india there are lot of very good marketing options that were bound to be exercised and that has happened for more than a decade. This is not to undermine the importance of cash generation but to highlight the lack of any professional sports management....will it get better in BCCI..i think so as there are no options but it will be better for other sports bodies in india to look at examples outside india and get professional management across the board if we are to make any long lasting postive changes..
agreed. but, my intention was not to say that all sports should copy BCCI as they were successful or professional or rich. My reference to BCCI was in a limited sense retricted only to the fact that it is not a Govt. managed organisation and hence things are not as pathetic as other areas. In that sense, other sports bodies too need to be brought out of the clutches of the babus along with broad guide lines regarding internal democracy, selections, terms etc. For example, BCCI should not have this ad hoc constitution and Pawar should be kicked out after 2 terms etc.
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« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2008, 05:34:31 PM »

Flute boss: hoping for a system (specially driven by government) in India is a futile exercise.. arre people cannot drive in lanes even when they are the only one on the road, use red light as a guideline to whether to stop or not.. I think you are hoping for a miracle.

Jugaad is our system, culture, process... we should use that to solve problems rather than this western thing called system.
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« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2008, 05:44:11 PM »

Flute boss: hoping for a system (specially driven by government) in India is a futile exercise.. arre people cannot drive in lanes even when they are the only one on the road, use red light as a guideline to whether to stop or not.. I think you are hoping for a miracle.

Jugaad is our system, culture, process... we should use that to solve problems rather than this western thing called system.
WN, sorry do not mean to hit you with a length article or lecture you, but here is something our very own which we cultivated and worked for us. There are just too many examples in history where we created systems which were enduring for centuries for example our panchayats. System is not a western thing, it is simply a civilised way of doing things. For example, when we go to a ticket counter or vendor, forming a line is an efficient & sensible way of doing things, it has nothing to do with east or west. We did have stuff working pretty good for a long time and we can still make it happen. What follows is not a remote one off example, this one happens to be a just a well illustrated example. republics and civilized way of taking decisions was our norm for a long time and we can very easily do it again.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2003/10/10/stories/2003101001421200.htm


Democracy of a high standard — ancient example

The inscriptions on the walls of the Sundaravarada temple in Uttiramerur, near Kanchipuram, show how democracy was practised 1,000 years ago. DR. R. NAGASWAMY elaborates. 






 
The towering gopuram of the Sri Sundaravaradaraja Perumal temple at Uthiramerur. — Pic. by A. Muralitharan.
THE KUMBABHISHEKAM on June 8 last of the Sundaravarada temple of Uttiramerur, Kanchipuram district, was the culmination of a great renovation work.

This temple was built around 750 A.D. during the Pallava rule, but underwent a second great renovation in the hands of Rajendra Chola in 1013 A.D., and again in the reign of the great Vijayanagar Emperor, Krishnadevaraya in 1520 A.D.

The village is known for its historic inscription of a written constitution that deals with elections to the village assembly, qualifications required of candidates contesting in elections, circumstances under which a candidate may be disqualified, mode of election, tenure of the elected candidates and the right of the public to recall the elected members when they failed to discharge their duties properly and so on.

It is interesting how in every aspect of life the highest standard of democracy was enforced in Uttiramerur.

Fines for wrongdoers

A 10th Century record deals with how to administer fines imposed on wrong doers in the village. Those who were fined for misdeeds are classified into criminals ("dushtargal"), fined by the great village assembly and the serving elected members of the village assembly who were fined.



 
Inscriptions on a wall of the temple. - Pic. by D. Gopalakrishnan.

The great assembly met and decided that the fines imposed should be settled by the administrators of the village, through the Village Assembly, within the same financial year, failing which the Village Assembly itself would get the matter settled. This suggests that as the Village Assembly also had a judicial function, it could impose further fines and get the same realised. Regarding the second category it was decided that the elected members of the subcommittees, their servants, the village scribes and the village guards, who were punished for default, the cases should be settled by the village administrators (under the supervision of the Village Assembly), failing which the Village Assembly itself should collect the fine, within the same year.

The village administrators would be individually fined one "kaanam" (money) for their failure to discharge their duty. The record makes it clear that the elected members of the Village Assembly could not escape punishment by virtue of their elected memberships. The defaulting administrators were also dealt with severely.

Testing gold quality

Another record dated 921 A.D. was a regulation passed by the Village Assembly. As gold was in circulation for commercial transactions it was found necessary that the gold offered should be tested for its fineness to the satisfaction of the community.

A committee was elected by the villagers to test the gold by rubbing it against a touchstone. Four members were elected by the pot ticket method by the merchant community of the village, two members by the military garrison and two by the oil mongers.

Those who stood for this election had to be skilled in testing gold and for their upright conduct. They had to be neither too old nor too young. They should be taxpayers. Non-tax paying men were considered unsuitable for the work. All together 10 members were elected for a stipulated period.

The Gold Testing Committee, called "Pon Vaariyam", was strictly prohibited from using rough stones, which would lead to greater loss of gold while rubbing. They were also expected to recover the gold dust from the touchstone, at the end of each day and deposit it with the village assembly. Once in three months, they were obliged to go before the village assembly and swear that they had not committed any fraud in the testing. Also people were so proud of their oaths and sworn statements that they would sacrifice their life rather than break their own sworn statements.

Appointment of Professors

Another interesting record deals with an establishment of a higher institution of learning and the qualifications prescribed for the professor, the method of appointment and the duration of his service. As this was related to a Vedic college, the qualifications required mastery of the Vedas. For instance, the incumbent could not be a native of that village but one who came from other regions. It was believed that the teacher from the same village might take things easy and not do full justice to his profession.

The second clause states that the teacher should have mastered one Veda completely in addition to mastery of grammar, "Mimamsa", and the two religious systems, "darsanas". Alternately he should have mastered one of the Vedas, in addition to grammar with commentary ("Vyakarana" with "bhashya") and Logic with commentary and classical notes ("nyaaya" with "bashya" and "tika") and etymological science ("nirukta") with commentary.

Those who are conversant with ancient Indian learning know that these are very high standards compared to this age, where a professor of Ancient History, for example, need not have even basic understanding of Sanskrit or epigraphy to interpret the original sources of ancient Indian culture.

The Ancient Educationists on the other hand insisted on multi-dimensional understanding of the relevant subjects as the best system of education. The record states that the teacher is appointed for a period of only three years at the end of which one has to take an examination for another term of appointment. The endowment with all the stipulations was created by a gentleman of the village in association with the Members of the Village Assembly, which would monitor the functioning. Here one finds that local democracy played a vibrant role in keeping the standard of education high.

Protection of village tanks

The maintenance of the village tank received top priority. The work was looked after by the Tank Supervising Committee whose members were elected from among the non-serving members of the Village Assembly. Their tenure was also limited to three years. In this way a great number of people were involved in managing the affairs of the village. The duty of the Tank Supervisory Committee was maintenance of tanks, irrigation, levying of tank taxes and utilising the funds so collected for the same purpose. The work of this committee was so inspiring that many people, including women, came forward and endowed money for tank maintenance.

The committee also had to de-silt the village tanks once in three months and strengthen the tank bunds by widening and raising its height. The sluices and overflow channels were to be maintained properly. Uttiramerur shows the best example by providing a large number of records dealing with this type of secular transactions of the village Assemblies of Ancient India.

There is an example of road maintenance. A road, continuously used by the villagers and cattle, became unfit for use. The village assembly acquired lands from owners who had cultivable lands adjacent to the road. The long road was about 48 feet wide. The assembly purchased land 14 feet wide from all the owners, who were willing to part with the land for a common cause and the road was re-laid.

Efficient election system

It would be appropriate to close this account by referring to the election system that was in vogue. The record is a clause-by-clause document of high efficiency and those who drafted it could be considered constitutional experts.

The salient features were that a person should have a minimum educational qualification, should be above 35 years of age and below 70, should own a minimum of landed property, should have a residence built in his own land and finally, should be a tax payer. Only such men, who felt it was their responsibility to contribute to the governance, were allowed to contest. It was obligatory that a legislator should understand at least what he is legislating, as these acts affect the life of the people. In disqualifying a candidate, primary importance was given to elimination of corruption. Not only corrupt persons but those who abetted corruption and the near relatives, were debarred from contesting an election for seven generations.

Those elected could be recalled any time if they were found not discharging their duty properly. With all these rigid rules if one got elected he could not contest the next three consecutive elections. And one could contest only for three terms throughout his lifetime and should make way for other members and families to get elected. Uttiramerur definitely shows the way in democratic participation extended to a larger section of society, exerting at the same time constant vigil and scrupulous enforcement of the Law, without favours or prejudices.

In place were several committees such as the Annual Administrative Committee, Tank Committee, Gold Committee, Field Committee, Garden Committee, etc. which were all democratically elected under the overall supervision of the Annual Committee.

Each serving member is debarred from standing for any other committee within three terms. Many of the evils prevalent today were anticipated 1,000 years ago and this made the Constitution framers, men of great vision, who deserve to be at least remembered. Uttiramerur, in this context, has a message to be acknowledged.

(The author was Director of Archaeology, Tamil Nadu).


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« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2008, 05:45:44 PM »

coming back to Bindra , a few stats about him. He had a career threatning injury and doctors were surprised that he could still recover for shooting

Career achievements:

Gold medallist, 2006 World Championships, 10m Air Rifle

Fourth place, 2005 Asian Championships, 10m Air Rifle

Previous Olympic result:

Seventh place, 2004 Olympics, 10m Air Rifle

Bindra got into shooting at the age of 15 because he liked the idea of being into fame. He has been following a rigorous training session that include seven hours of shooting and two hours of stretching and jogging every day.

A gold medallist at the Manchester Commonwealth Games, Bindra became the first Indian to clinch an Olympic berth for Athens 2004 with a bronze medal at the Munich world Championships. He did break the Olympic record in Athens but that was not enough to win a medal as his peers did even better.

Bindra, also a Khel Ratna and Arjuna awardee, bravely fought a career-threatening back injury, which forced him out of the Doha Asian Games. He booked his Beijing berth by winning the 2006 World Championships in Zagreb, Croatia - a first by an Indian.
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« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2008, 05:45:50 PM »

Flute boss: hoping for a system (specially driven by government) in India is a futile exercise.. arre people cannot drive in lanes even when they are the only one on the road, use red light as a guideline to whether to stop or not.. I think you are hoping for a miracle.

For this the red light has to work first  ;)
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« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2008, 09:44:14 PM »

fantastic sporting day for india. watched it national anthem and all. congrats to bindra
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« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2008, 01:45:30 AM »

Bhindra's gold will be all the more sweeter and more valuable if he got that gold because of a systematic improvement in Indian sports rather than he getting his gold inspite of the system.

How many people shoot in India (as a competitive sport, a real sport!)? Can you name 10 shooters from India? How many people do you think shoot in the world (as a competitive sport)? Can you name the best ever shooter (say, most championships)?

It is hugely creditable that Abhinav won but let us not twist his victory to anything to do (or not to do) with the system. India probably supports shooting to the same extent that most other countries do. It is not a spectator sport and deserves to remain at the periphery.

To me, the really impressive person here is Sania (badminton, of course). That is an ultra competitive sport - both within India and in Asia, and her ascendancy there is fantastic. I hope she goes all the way to the finals.

SAINA, not sania.

i agree with you. kudos to Abhinav for reaching the pinnacle of glory in his event but seriously, 10m rifle? i didn't even know such an event existed and india as a country has nothing to trampoline about, imo.

why not celebrate the carroms/kabbadi world championship as well?

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« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2008, 03:14:19 AM »

Any sport at the highest level requires grit, determination, skill and mental fortitude..

Excellent article by Rohit Brijnath published a year ago on Abhinav..
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Be still please, Beijing’s miracle man is at work

Rohit Brijnath
August 12, 2008
First Published: 00:41 IST(12/8/2008)
Last Updated: 01:50 IST(12/8/2008)


Don’t look now, but this 24-year-old who looks like a cover boy for an accountancy magazine, who pursues a sport where stillness is a virtue and muscles can get in the way, whose rare moment of recognition came from, get this, a Thai airlines purser (“Hey, you’re the shooter”), is possibly India’s best chance of a medal at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

But don’t be fooled by the way Abhinav Bindra looks, not even for a millisecond, which is all it takes for him to send an air rifle bullet, from thirty-three odd feet, into a bullseye that’s about the size of your shirt button. Feel free to applaud.

Don’t be fooled by the way Abhinav Bindra speaks. If you listen carefully, amidst the technical talk of “trigger pressure” and “stability”, you can hear his passion leak into the conversation. He says words we don’t expect from a shooter, like “arty” and “feel” and “guts”. Maybe we just don’t know a damn thing about shooters.

After attending two Olympics, and 11 years of squeezing triggers, one year ago Bindra became the first Indian to win gold at a world championships. One year from now he wants to become the first Indian to win an individual Olympic gold.

Olympic athletes arrange their lives in four-year cycles, a monkish, mad, uplifting existence where every day they strive to get better so that they can be at their best on the day. It’s terrifying. Bindra is investing four years for an event that is done in about two hours.

So many things can go wrong that day, which is why Bindra arises every morning and chases his own private perfection. “Every day there is a new problem, a new challenge,” he says. “What is fascinating is the journey, working on all the factors to get that perfection. My biggest joy is in the struggle.”

If his shoulder isn’t perfectly stable, it’s over. If his breathing is erratic, the dream’s gone. His trigger pressure is 45 grams; if it’s humid it becomes lighter. It matters because you have to squeeze the trigger at the right moment, at the right pressure. Or goodbye medal.

It’s why Bindra says “it’s an arty sport, a feel sport”. You have to “feel good with your position, your body.” But here’s the thing. Even though he’s a “feeling oriented shooter”, he knows “you’ve got to win even when not feeling good”. Rhetorically he asks, “What if I wake up at the Olympics, on the day, and don’t feel good? So I have to train like that.”

Shooting is a still, mostly silent sport, but his ardour makes it come alive. In qualification, he fires 60 shots (10 in the final), and each shot is a battle, he insists, for sometimes you raise your gun and put it down 10 times before shooting, waiting for that moment when everything feels just right to fire.

In an Olympic final, the heart accelerates, and the gun shakes, and adrenaline gushes, and unlike a physical sport there is no outlet for it, so you have to be patient, wait, till the heart slows and the adrenaline abates. He’s trying to tell you, this is an art, understand? Yes.


Bindra says he is not consumed by Beijing, focused only on the process of improving. He’s evolved as a shooter, describing himself, with a chuckle, as “more detached, more stone-hearted”. But he wasn’t always like this, he was obsessive about winning, an emotional warrior. Time has changed him. And perhaps so did Athens.

In 2004, at the Athens Games, he got his heart torn out. He broke the Olympic record in qualifying, but shot so poorly in the eight-man final it astonished him. Later, a coach goes back to the range, to position No 3 where Bindra shot from, and finds the floor wobbly, finds it being fixed for the next final. Too late.

Bindra calls Athens “tragic”, and says, honestly, painfully, “Athens bothered me for a long time”. He breathes. “But that’s life, everything’s not fair always”. Now, he insists, Athens is forgotten. At the world championships last year, he found himself, ominously, again at position No.3. Athens came flooding back, but he wore the pressure and won.

But perhaps Athens will finally be interred in Beijing. Not with a medal. But by a performance that he is striving and struggling and searching for yesterday, today, tomorrow. A performance that proves he can be perfect even on an imperfect day.

(This article appeared in Mint on June 23, 2007)
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« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2008, 03:23:56 AM »

Bull's eye and the decimals in Air Rifle shooting

V. Krishnaswamy, Indo-Asian News Service
Beijing, August 11, 2008
First Published: 19:15 IST(11/8/2008)
Last Updated: 19:18 IST(11/8/2008)


Abhinav Bindra's gold medal in the men's 10m air rifle shooting competition is bound to spark off a great deal of curious interest in the sport, just as Rajyavardhan Rathore's silver medal did in double trap four years ago.

In shooting as in archery, there is a bull's eye, which fetches 10 points for perfection. While in archery, 'Xs' -- dead-centre -- break the ties, in shooting the system is a bit more elaborate.

The 10-point ring has within it 10 more rings and the points range from 10.0 to 10.9, the latter being ultimate perfection, which is how shooters have decimals attached to their scores of 100 in the final.

Bindra, who shot a 10.8 in his final shot in the final series of the 10m air rifle event, came closest to perfection with a 10.7 in the first of the 10-shot final. Then he closed the competition with that 10.8.

The 10 metre air rifle is shot over a distance of 10 metres (10.9 yards) from a standing position with a 4.5 mm (0.177 in) calibre air rifle which cannot be heavier than 5.5 kilograms.

The men shooters are required to fire 60 shots in 105 minutes.

Each shot can fetch a maximum of 10 points, the maximum being attained when a shooter finds the 'bull ring'. Scores range from one point for hitting the outside zone, to 10 for a hit in the 10 ring ('bull'). If a shot hits the line between two zones, the higher score is awarded.

From the total field -- there were 51 in Monday's Olympic competition -- the top eight move into the final.

In case of any ties for a place in the final, the berths are decided on a countback. Gagan Narang was tied at 595 with four other shooters, but got eliminated on the countback. The other four shooters had a better series of either 99 or 100 so Narang got left out.

After the qualifying round comes the final for top eight. In the final series, the 10-point ring is sub-divided into 10 score zones, with the highest score for a shot being 10.9.

The top eight shooters follow this with the final 10 shots and the cumulative score of both the rounds determines the winner.

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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2008, 03:26:00 AM »

BCCI is a better managed body?? Than which organization? The hockey federation may be...great standard to be compared to when we didnt even qualify for the olympics (which is unbelievable). just because bcci has a lot of cash doesnt mean it is better run or is not influenced by politics or government influence..

There is no denying politics or influence of powerful men in BCCI, but it is still better than most of other sports bodies. A lot of sports ministry managed stuff is simply pathetic and nowhere close to whatever little  professionalism we have in BCCI.
Lets reverse the question. Which sports body is better managed than BCCI in India?

I dont think BCCI is any better  managed than Hockey or anything else. Its just

1) Too many people play cricket in India
2) Evwen after all the mismanagement and corruption .... there is still a lot of money left to be spent. Just there is THAT much money in cricket.

Good post. Congratulations on a Ganguly-free post.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2008, 12:45:33 PM »

Rathore fails to qualify

Jitender Kumar enters round of 16 with an emphatic win

Paes/Bhupathi thru' to round of 16
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2008, 01:02:01 PM »

BCCI is a better managed body?? Than which organization? The hockey federation may be...great standard to be compared to when we didnt even qualify for the olympics (which is unbelievable). just because bcci has a lot of cash doesnt mean it is better run or is not influenced by politics or government influence..

There is no denying politics or influence of powerful men in BCCI, but it is still better than most of other sports bodies. A lot of sports ministry managed stuff is simply pathetic and nowhere close to whatever little  professionalism we have in BCCI.
Lets reverse the question. Which sports body is better managed than BCCI in India?

I dont think BCCI is any better  managed than Hockey or anything else. Its just

1) Too many people play cricket in India
2) Evwen after all the mismanagement and corruption .... there is still a lot of money left to be spent. Just there is THAT much money in cricket.

Good post. Congratulations on a Ganguly-free post.


Unfair accusation. It was only a 3 line post. Thoda mauka to do bhai :)
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2008, 02:21:38 PM »

Akhil Kumar also enters Round of 16 in Boxing
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« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2008, 02:33:15 PM »

http://www.itgo.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8505&sectionid=4&secid=80&Itemid=1

Waiting for Abhinav
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August 11, 2008    

We have waited.

Los Angeles. Barcelona. Seoul. Sydney. Athens. And long before. It seems we have waited forever. Teams have left for the Olympic Games in a shower of promises. Their moments have arrived but their chances have been missed. By one hundredth of a second, by half a point, by a gust of wind, by a stroke of luck, a twist of fate, by the sun shining too brightly or not shining enough, by the collective, wretched kismet of a billion, blighted people.

For a fortnight every four years, Indian sport and its desperate faithful have lived tortured half-lives of belief and dreaming. This could be It, he could be the One, maybe she…

Time has passed, foreign cities have become home to our hopes and then turned us out. Again and again the bubble has vapourised, the dream has died and left behind just dull deflation and a sense of cosmic deprivation.

A nation aching for heroes has waited a hundred years for deliverance.

An army of optimists has waited for the opportunity to turn on the moaners and the cynics, waited to shake fists in their face, waited to say, "told ya, told ya, told ya…".

A generation that has discovered global confidence but been perplexed about this Mount Olympus business, has waited to fully puff out its chest.

So, what do we say to Abhinav Bindra, Olympic gold medallist? Thank you? Because, Jesus, man, you have no idea how we feel?

Well, actually, he does. Because waiting is his business and patience his partner.

At practice, Bindra has stood in long, sepulchral halls sometimes raising and lowering his arm as many as ten times before deciding to fire. He must wait because he must first find the feeling. That his body is where he wants it, his eye is where it needs to be and his finger can pick the pause between his breathing and then follow an unrushed mind right into the pinprick that is the 10m shooter's bull's eye.

He has waited his whole life: to go from boy prodigy to Olympic champion. He has waited from Sydney and his first Olympics, to Athens and the crushing frustration of a poor final, the 2006 World Championship and a crippling back injury. As the years passed and events slipped by, he could have flailed around, thrown up his hands, done something else and forever said hey, I got unlucky.

Bindra chose instead to become an extension of his craft. Patience, he said, and willed its well inside him to grow deeper still. Stillness, he thought, and turned his resolution into unyielding rock. Focus, he ordered himself, and blocked out the world, thinking not of Beijing, but of tuning his technique, of strengthening his back and controlling his mind.

When his day arrived and his moment came, he was ready. With the scores tied for gold, the announcer called one last time, "For the next competition shot, load..." and then counted down for the shooter, "Three, two, one…"

He turned his head to the right, then turned it back towards his target. Like he had done for hours and days and years, Abhinav Bindra waited. In that instant, he had become patience, stillness and concentration in flesh and blood.

Then, as India stopped breathing, he fired. And his waiting and our waiting, was over.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #100 on: August 13, 2008, 05:23:49 AM »

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Then, as India stopped breathing, he fired. And his waiting and our waiting, was over.

oh please. how many people actually watched this live  ;D
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« Reply #101 on: August 13, 2008, 05:34:07 AM »

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Then, as India stopped breathing, he fired. And his waiting and our waiting, was over.

oh please. how many people actually watched this live  ;D

Close to a billion people. He fired, but all of them lived.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #102 on: August 13, 2008, 10:41:08 AM »

Paes-Bhupathi enter Olympic quarter-finals
Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi cruised into the quarter-finals of the Beijing Olympics with a straight sets win over Brazilian duo of Marcelo Melo and Andre Sa.

The seventh seeded Indian pair beat Melo-Sa 6-4, 6-2 in the pre-quarters on Wednesday.

They will meet the winner of the match between fourth seeds Roger Federer/Stanislas Wawrinka of Switzerland and Russia's Dmitry Tursunov/Mikhail Youzhny.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #103 on: August 13, 2008, 10:43:39 AM »

Saina Nehwal lost in the Qtrs in a tough 3-setter >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #104 on: August 13, 2008, 11:20:18 AM »

Paes-Bhupathi enter Olympic quarter-finals
Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi cruised into the quarter-finals of the Beijing Olympics with a straight sets win over Brazilian duo of Marcelo Melo and Andre Sa.

The seventh seeded Indian pair beat Melo-Sa 6-4, 6-2 in the pre-quarters on Wednesday.

They will meet the winner of the match between fourth seeds Roger Federer/Stanislas Wawrinka of Switzerland and Russia's Dmitry Tursunov/Mikhail Youzhny.


hehehe looks like a medal for hesh and lee
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #105 on: August 13, 2008, 11:42:02 AM »

they will meet the Bryan bros in semis !!!
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #106 on: August 15, 2008, 12:52:49 PM »

Bhupathi-Paes lose to FedEx in Qtrs - looks like only 1 medal this time for us in Olympics.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #107 on: August 15, 2008, 01:07:06 PM »

Bhupathi-Paes lose to FedEx in Qtrs - looks like only 1 medal this time for us in Olympics.

So all the highly over rated tennis maharathies also only flatter to deceive. One develops a mysterious injury which apparently she has been carrying from before (now haven't we heard that after every single defeat?) the others bicker till a month before the Olympics and then expect to win....
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #108 on: August 15, 2008, 01:14:51 PM »

Akhil is also a bout away from medal after beating the russian world champion in bantamweight.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2008, 07:14:01 AM »

Finally got to see the entire 10m air rifle event on nbcolympics.com.. what an event, what a performance.

The 25 minutes or so every Indian should cherish.

Hats off, Abhinav. To pull off his best shot - a 10.8 - as the last one..under pressure as he was tied going into the last shot with Hakinnen.. incredible!!!!
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« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2008, 08:42:19 AM »

Akhil is also a bout away from medal after beating the russian world champion in bantamweight.

watched this !!! - this was as close as it gets - a see saw battle. The russion world champion was a claer winner after 2 1/2 rounds, leading 6-3, but Akhil narrowed it down to 7-8 by huge comeback in the same round and played cleverly in the 4th and final round to tie it 9-9 and won it for landing more punches - great match to watch.

Here is what Akhil said:

"He (Sergey) is a world champion. It was a tough fight, but I am here to win gold. No silver, no bronze, but only the gold. There is nothing like being No.1 and I want to be No. 1".  ::cheers:: ::cheers::

Meanwhile, his cousin, Jitender Kumar also stromed into Qtrs with an emphatic win. He meets 3-time Europ champion Russian Georgy Balakshin. He said on his Qtrs opponent: "It's going to be tough against him. The last time we met it was too close to call and he (Balakshin) managed to sneak past riding on his luck but this time I am better prepared. This time I'm not going to spare him. Akhil has beaten him in the past and I'll ask Akhil how to crack him".

So, each of them 1 match away from a olympic mdeal !!

Vijender Kumar plays later today in the Pre-Qtrs in the 75kg category.
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2008, 02:41:50 PM »

Vijender Kumar thrashes the Thai player 13-3 and stroms into the Qtrs.

3 medal prospects still
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Re: India wins GOLD !!!! Beijing Olympics
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2008, 05:25:12 AM »

Neha crashes out in the TT prelims.
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