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GC "bares" it all
« on: March 01, 2006, 02:25:12 AM »

"Tell all" interview from GC


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 Some years back, Ganguly had come to me for coaching. "I helped him with his batting then," , "so maybe he thought I would be his mate and support him now. Certainly there is no way I would have got the job here without his influence. I'm sure he thought he would be able to run me as he did John in the latter part of his time as coach. But we clashed because his needs as a struggling player and captain and those of the team were different.

2.

 I told Sourav that if he wanted to save his career he should consider giving up the captaincy. He was just hanging in there. Modest innings were draining him. He had no energy to give to the team, which was helping neither him nor us. It was in his own interest to give himself mind space to work on his batting so that it could be resurrected. He was not prepared to do that. What I didn't realise at that stage was how utterly important to his life and finances being captain was.


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  "I'm not the hard-nosed control freak that I have been portrayed. I'm thorough, a realist, a pragmatist and I'm honest. Much has been written and said, a lot of it misleading, but in essence I told Sourav that if he wanted to save his career he should consider giving up the captaincy.


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   "The controversy will carry on but I have learned if I can't be totally impervious to it then it is beyond my control. I have to let it wash by and say 'people have their reasons for saying what they do and I can't be distracted by that' and do what I believe in. At the end of my time, whenever that might be, the team and therefore I will be judged ultimately on the results we achieve, not whether I have been able to convince this or that member of the media that what we are doing is in the best interests of Indian cricket."

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"I don't think anyone can imagine just how much of a goldfish bowl it is until you are in it," Chappell said. "I have travelled here before and been conscious of it but once you are inside that bowl it is quite amazing. The job I do carries with it an enormous responsibility, not so much to my employers but to a cricket-mad nation. I genuinely feel that, while I am being paid by the BCCI , I am working for the people of India, those who support the team, and they are many and varied and from all walks of life. I am lucky that I have been exposed to many different aspects of this country.


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"There was a very poignant photograph in the paper one day recently just before we played in Lahore. A lot of Indian supporters wanted to come to the match. Now they can cross the border but you have to drive there, then leave the car and walk across and get a car or bus the other side. It is a huge effort for many to support the team.



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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2006, 02:27:29 AM »

Finances?!!? Thought he was rich both family-wise and his own cricket earnings that he had already made.

BTW - can u provide URL for above.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2006, 02:27:43 AM »

link?
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 02:29:43 AM »

"Tell all" interview from GC


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 Some years back, Ganguly had come to me for coaching. "I helped him with his batting then," , "so maybe he thought I would be his mate and support him now. Certainly there is no way I would have got the job here without his influence. I'm sure he thought he would be able to run me as he did John in the latter part of his time as coach. But we clashed because his needs as a struggling player and captain and those of the team were different.

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 I told Sourav that if he wanted to save his career he should consider giving up the captaincy. He was just hanging in there. Modest innings were draining him. He had no energy to give to the team, which was helping neither him nor us. It was in his own interest to give himself mind space to work on his batting so that it could be resurrected. He was not prepared to do that. What I didn't realise at that stage was how utterly important to his life and finances being captain was.



LINK please!!!
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Re: GC "bares" it all
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 02:29:44 AM »

link?

link will be provided after a short commercial break  ;D ;D

please see the modified post.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2006, 02:30:36 AM »

finances - what is GC smoking these days  :D :D
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2006, 02:31:50 AM »

No commercial break, URL??????
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2006, 02:33:17 AM »

finances - what is GC smoking these days  :D :D

Finances were correct. He might have lost some portion of his ad contracts.
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2006, 02:34:05 AM »

But that does not majorly affect him at this stage?!
He has already made it well in terms of fortune, no?
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2006, 02:37:43 AM »

chappell has his priorities rigt
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2006, 02:38:46 AM »

There is nothing new in this interview. He is repeating the same cockamamie BS he has said in the past. John Wright has already refuted the part where SG used to "control" him. The insidious Guardian OTOH is trying to stir the pot to rekindle the SG-GC feud.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2006, 02:39:48 AM »

Full article follows

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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/englandinindia/story/0,,1720518,00.html

Chappell rides bumps on road paved with passion and pop-star idolatry

Mike Selvey in Nagpur
Wednesday March 1, 2006
The Guardian


It must have taken 20 minutes or more to get from the entrance of Bangalore Golf Club to the terrace at the rear. Everyone wanted a slice. "Congratulations, Mr Chappell . . . Please sign this, sir . . . You are doing a marvellous job for us . . . A photograph please . . . Hats off after your wonderful win, Mr Chappell . . ." Greg Chappell obliged them all courteously. It goes with the territory.

That same morning, back at the bungalow in the stunning grounds of the Taj West End hotel, which is the India coach's base, his wife Judy had taken delivery of a new DVD player and furniture that had been promised a while since. Neither put it down to pure coincidence of timing.

After a disappointing end to the recent Test series in Pakistan and a defeat in the first of the five one-day internationals that followed, India came good in resounding fashion, winning all of the remaining four games and sending a billion people into raptures. "It is astounding, isn't it?" said Chappell, before observing wryly: "The hats will be back on soon enough if we start losing. We'll come back home here one day and be sitting on the floor."

It is nine months since Chappell, one of the game's great batsmen in his time, gave a presentation to the Indian board's selection panel on the theme of "commitment to excellence" and was appointed unanimously as the man to succeed John Wright and take the side through to the end of the 2007 World Cup. Thus far it has not been the easiest of rides, with battles to be fought with an often aggressive media and, by no means least, a vastly publicised and unsettling spat with the former India captain Sourav Ganguly that has divided sections of the nation, and which rumbles on still.

That side of things has proved a disappointment to Chappell, an unwelcome distraction from the task of taking the side onwards from the level to which Wright took them during his five years in charge before he became wearied by the relentless and onerous nature of the task.

For a while, the Ganguly issue - the captaincy passed to Rahul Dravid after it all came to a head during the tour of Zimbabwe - became all consuming. For the good of all, Chappell is keen to move it on from it now. Some years back, Ganguly had come to him for coaching. "I helped him with his batting then," said Chappell, "so maybe he thought I would be his mate and support him now. Certainly there is no way I would have got the job here without his influence. I'm sure he thought he would be able to run me as he did John in the latter part of his time as coach. But we clashed because his needs as a struggling player and captain and those of the team were different.

"I'm not the hard-nosed control freak that I have been portrayed. I'm thorough, a realist, a pragmatist and I'm honest. Much has been written and said, a lot of it misleading, but in essence I told Sourav that if he wanted to save his career he should consider giving up the captaincy. He was just hanging in there. Modest innings were draining him. He had no energy to give to the team, which was helping neither him nor us. It was in his own interest to give himself mind space to work on his batting so that it could be resurrected. He was not prepared to do that. What I didn't realise at that stage was how utterly important to his life and finances being captain was.

"The controversy will carry on but I have learned if I can't be totally impervious to it then it is beyond my control. I have to let it wash by and say 'people have their reasons for saying what they do and I can't be distracted by that' and do what I believe in. At the end of my time, whenever that might be, the team and therefore I will be judged ultimately on the results we achieve, not whether I have been able to convince this or that member of the media that what we are doing is in the best interests of Indian cricket."

The showcase existence, even for the coach, is something for which no outsider can be truly prepared. In the hotel lobby after golf, Chappell sat and looked around at the numerous staff watching his every move, waiting on a whim, and shook his head. A teenage girl walked by and did a double-take. "Greg Chappell, oh my God, I don't believe it." Then, beaming, she just stood and stared, transfixed.

"I don't think anyone can imagine just how much of a goldfish bowl it is until you are in it," Chappell said. "I have travelled here before and been conscious of it but once you are inside that bowl it is quite amazing. The job I do carries with it an enormous responsibility, not so much to my employers but to a cricket-mad nation. I genuinely feel that, while I am being paid by the BCCI , I am working for the people of India, those who support the team, and they are many and varied and from all walks of life. I am lucky that I have been exposed to many different aspects of this country.

"We have played in the big metros of course but we have also played in some of the smaller cities and it is quite eye-opening to see how the average person responds to the Indian cricket team. When we arrive at airports, large crowds accrue. They want to see the high-profile players, they want to touch them, get a photograph of them. The most intrusive invention in modern times has to be the mobile phone-camera because everyone has a phone, everyone wants an autograph or a snap.

"It is an unnerving experience to drive out of stadiums after we have won games or lost them and see the streets lined with people from all walks of life, particularly those from poorer communities whose only glimpse of the team would be as the bus flashes past and to see their faces light up. The only thing I can liken it to is the Beatles motorcade when they arrived in Australia in the 1960s. People lining the streets from the airport to the city. That happens here every day with this team.

"These guys have the status of pop stars and the response is very much like that. I am constantly amazed and impressed by the way the players cope with it. For a while I wondered why some of them didn't respond to all these waving people and smiling faces and I realised they can't afford to. Just to give a little bit of emotion to each person would drain them. So they really do just have to live in their own private little world as they are carried from hotel to ground, from ground to airport, from airport to plane, to the next airport and the next horde of waiting people all wanting a touch, a glimpse of their heroes.

"Players oblige as much as is humanly possible. Sachin Tendulkar, for example, is still the one who is most in demand and the way in which he just copes serenely with it is a lesson to us all. You know he gives what he can but he has learned that there is a limit. So he gives that much and then has to shut himself down. But we do realise our responsibility to a billion people, most of whom follow avidly the fortunes of the side. The passion we receive has no middle ground, no grey area. It teeters from one extreme to the other.

"There was a very poignant photograph in the paper one day recently just before we played in Lahore. A lot of Indian supporters wanted to come to the match. Now they can cross the border but you have to drive there, then leave the car and walk across and get a car or bus the other side. It is a huge effort for many to support the team.

"The picture was of a woman, elderly, scrambling through the border. It is for people such as her that we are playing the game and the players and I realise that. We pinned the picture on the dressing room wall to remind us. We drew a lot of inspiration from that."

India under Chappell

v Zimbabwe (won 2-0) 1st Test Won by an innings and 90 rns

2nd Test Won by 10 wkts

v Sri Lanka (won 6-1)

1st ODI Won by 152 rns

2nd ODI Won by 8 wkts

3rd ODI Won by 6 wkts

4th ODI Won by 4 wkts

5th ODI Lost by 5 wkts

6th ODI Won by 7 wkts

7th ODI Won by 5 wkts

v Sri Lanka (won 2-0)

1st Test Match drawn

2nd Test Won by 88 rns

3rd Test Won by 259 rns

v Sri Lanka (drew 2-2)

1st ODI Lost by 5 wkts

2nd ODI Won by 6 wkts

3rd ODI Abandoned

4th ODI Lost by 10 wkts

5th ODI Won by 5 wkts

v Pakistan (lost 1-0)

1st Test Match drawn

2nd Test Match drawn

3rd Test lost by 341 rns

v Pakistan (won 4-1)

1st ODI Lost by 7 rns

2nd ODI Won by 7 wkts

3rd ODI Won by 5 wkts

4th ODI Won by 5 wkts

5th ODI Won by 8 wkts
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Re: GC "bares" it all
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2006, 02:40:51 AM »

There is nothing new in this interview. He is repeating the same cockamamie BS he has said in the past. John Wright has already refuted the part where SG used to "control" him. The insidious Guardian OTOH is trying to stir the pot to rekindle the SG-GC feud.

Why would Jonh Wright accept that he was controlled by one of his players?  Is he nuts?   
Either he did not know he was being bullied and controlled or if he knows, he won't accept it - as simple as that.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2006, 02:41:28 AM »

He must be smoking pot if this is true.
For the coach to be saying such things is ridiculous. I can't believe he let his guard down like this.
I think he may have been discussing this things as a friend "off the record" but the reporter reneged.

Still shows how he is thinking.
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2006, 02:43:29 AM »

wtf, why now..and just when i thought this sad chapter in Indian cricket was closed....f$@k.. here we go again.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2006, 02:44:43 AM »

Teddy:

JW would not accept it --fine

But how does GC know this -- he was not around. Would SG have told him that or would JW have told him that ?

Or would the other players be privy to captain coach conversations.

It could be true or it could be false, but isnt taking GC's version of what transpired between JW and SG pure hearsay ?
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2006, 02:45:48 AM »

There is nothing new in this interview. He is repeating the same cockamamie BS he has said in the past. John Wright has already refuted the part where SG used to "control" him. The insidious Guardian OTOH is trying to stir the pot to rekindle the SG-GC feud.

Why would Jonh Wright accept that he was controlled by one of his players?  Is he nuts?   
Either he did not know he was being bullied and controlled or if he knows, he won't accept it - as simple as that.

JW could have easily said that he was exasperated with his relationship with the captain and therefore quit. He never said any such thing, on the contrary he said that he enjoyed a very professional relationship with Ganguly, with their share of agreements and disagreements.

I repeat, this is cockamamie BS from GC.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2006, 02:46:20 AM »

ah, the winners always write the history, don't they? :)
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2006, 02:48:13 AM »

AAAArrrrgggh. chappell really has a lot of "khujleee" in his stomach. stupid thing to do. The media and people will have a field day with this...and who will be distracted - the Indian cricket team.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2006, 02:48:20 AM »

Teddy:

JW would not accept it --fine

But how does GC know this -- he was not around. Would SG have told him that or would JW have told him that ?

Or would the other players be privy to captain coach conversations.

It could be true or it could be false, but isnt taking GC's version of what transpired between JW and SG pure hearsay ?


Circumstantial evidence for sure.
There were a lot of times John Wright said in public (towards the end of his tenure) that he did not agree with many of
the on-field decisions and selectoral (playing X1 as decided by the captain) calls made by Ganguly.
When time permits (and if there is interest in beating up a dead cat), we could find the links and post them.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2006, 02:48:36 AM »

Did you guys realize? The first 2 tri series losses are missing from the analysis "India under Chappell"
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2006, 02:50:25 AM »

Did you guys realize? The first 2 tri series losses are missing from the analysis "India under Chappell"

great observation devatha. I didn't actually notice..... How very convenient. When the record there was 2-3 and 3-2 respectively.
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2006, 02:50:44 AM »

Fudged stats from Guardian, may be that is the reason Teddy liked this article. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2006, 02:50:53 AM »

This is a never ending saga or maybe Guardian is trying to stir the contoversy hust before the start of the test.
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2006, 02:51:51 AM »

There were a lot of times John Wright said in public (towards the end of his tenure) that he did not agree with many of
the on-field decisions and selectoral (playing X1 as decided by the captain) calls made by Ganguly.
When time permits (and if there is interest in beating up a dead cat), we could find the links and post them.

So.... captain and coach need not always agree..... that doesen't been SG controlled JW. Obviously always final call should be the captain's and not the coach's
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2006, 02:53:01 AM »

Fudged stats from Guardian, may be that is the reason Teddy liked this article. ;D

or Teddy's book has already become so famous  :D :D
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2006, 02:53:40 AM »

yes problem was JW was more intelligent than SG so maybe SG shud have listened more often ...
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2006, 02:54:57 AM »

This is a never ending saga or maybe Guardian is trying to stir the contoversy hust before the start of the test.

I think so - did you read what N Hussain said recently - he was hoping for the Ganguly controversey to come back and bite the Indians....
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2006, 02:55:20 AM »

teddy:

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Circumstantial evidence for sure.
There were a lot of times John Wright said in public (towards the end of his tenure) that he did not agree with many of
the on-field decisions and selectoral (playing X1 as decided by the captain) calls made by Ganguly.


Correct me if I am wrong

1) Aern't on field decisions a captain's prerogative ? Even GC and RD take pains to repeat that in every 3rd interview.

2) And again is not the final playing XI a decision taken by captain, vice captain and coach ? Also, doesn't the Indian team have a policy of having selectors even intervening to choose the playing XI in home series games -- the latter half of JW's reign when things got bad according to some (Aus, SA, PAk were home series with only Bang being the away series). after all till the Pak tour 2004, everything was fine and dandy as per all reports.
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2006, 02:56:08 AM »

yes problem was JW was more intelligent than SG so maybe SG shud have listened more often ...

And you know that because...... do you IQ scores of both JW and SG  ::) ::)
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2006, 02:59:46 AM »

because ..im the king of the world ... hee
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2006, 03:02:35 AM »

teddy:

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Circumstantial evidence for sure.
There were a lot of times John Wright said in public (towards the end of his tenure) that he did not agree with many of
the on-field decisions and selectoral (playing X1 as decided by the captain) calls made by Ganguly.


Correct me if I am wrong

1) Aern't on field decisions a captain's prerogative ? Even GC and RD take pains to repeat that in every 3rd interview.

2) And again is not the final playing XI a decision taken by captain, vice captain and coach ? Also, doesn't the Indian team have a policy of having selectors even intervening to choose the playing XI in home series games -- the latter half of JW's reign when things got bad according to some (Aus, SA, PAk were home series with only Bang being the away series). after all till the Pak tour 2004, everything was fine and dandy as per all reports.


Yes, indeed. on-fields decisions are a captain's prerogative. But the decisions should be within the parameters of the overall strategy worked out by the coach,captain and other willing/able members in the team.  Ganguly ended up making strange decisions not discussed in the strategy meetings.

He was not strict in enforcing fitness standards from "lazy" players - he was lenient and would not alter selectoral calls for laziness and bad attitude.

Captain has certain powers and prerogatives - but should not be abused or misused - by many indirect hints from JW - SG engaged in many abuses.
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2006, 03:03:45 AM »

Jfk:

please do not ask inane questions.

We all know JW's IQ quotient is higher than SG's

And RD's IQ is higher than SG  because the former went to Josephs and got a B.Comm whereas the latter went to St Xaviers and got a BA. Plus the former reads management books.

between RD and JW we do not know who is more intelligent yet.

But we know GC has the highest IQ of them all.
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2006, 03:06:42 AM »

No Kban. I don't agree. More has more IQ than all of them, more than anybody in India. So, if at all he was present with the team during an away/home series, better they listen to him for selecting the playing XI. Moreover,  he is more forward looking.
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2006, 03:09:48 AM »

and i have IQ higher than More  ;D
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2006, 03:14:22 AM »

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Yes, indeed. on-fields decisions are a captain's prerogative. But the decisions should be within the parameters of the overall strategy worked out by the coach,captain and other willing/able members in the team.  Ganguly ended up making strange decisions not discussed in the strategy meetings.

He was not strict in enforcing fitness standards from "lazy" players - he was lenient and would not alter selectoral calls for laziness and bad attitude.

Captain has certain powers and prerogatives - but should not be abused or misused - by many indirect hints from JW - SG engaged in many abuses.


Are you kidding me ? A captain on field makes all kinds of decisions when the tactics discussed before are not working. And decisions on field can be termed as tactics as opposed to strategy. tactics can be geared to the same strategic goal or a different strategic goal.

Either way, this is a captain's prerogative.

And you know that Ganguly took strange decisions not discussed in team meetings because ---
a) you were a fly on the wall at these meetings ?
b) you are JW's / RD's / SG's designated biographer ?
c) you had a wire tap from the dressing room to your living room ?

And again you know he was not strict because --
a) JW / SG / RD / physio told you ?
b) you were present at these training sessions ?
c) you were privy to JW and Dungapur talking about this over a morning large one ?

And you know he abused his powers because --
a) you were the designated chaperone for the Indian team ?
b) you were the manager ?
c) you were appointed by the BCCI to monitor use / misuse of powers by SG ?

Let me know If I missed any options.
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Re: GC "bares" it all
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2006, 04:13:33 AM »


Hey guys,

It seems like a reasonable interview to me where GC airs his views .. this controversy will not go away until SG retires!

GC may across as a control freak .. and maybe he is one .. but you cannot deny that he is trying to improve Indian cricket.
SG was finished as a 1 day player and desperately hanging on to captaincy so his place in the team was guaranteed.

It had to come to this (SG kicked out) since the man is so stubborn ... he is truly delusional if he thinks he deserves 
to play in WC '07 - he is noweher near that in terms of fitness or strike rate.

Whether he belongs in the Test team is debatable - if at all only as the 7th batsman though. So tell me - where does he belong ?

Lets not stoke this fire repeatedly and give fodder to our opponents to use --
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Re: GC "bares" it all
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2006, 04:22:07 AM »

The evidence against Greg Chappel as a congenital liar and an utterlessly vindictive and worthless human being is mounting. I will be waiting for the day it all comes crashing down on him!
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Re: GC "bares" it all
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2006, 04:24:19 AM »

Greg's strategy seems to be to force a media outburst from Sourav Ganguly against him, which then, he most likely hopes will finish SG's career for real [about which he'd quite confident, given the reception GC has received from our ass-licking media].
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